Adam Fitch: “Tunnel Vison vs Green Vision”

October 25, 2014

Adam Fitch wants to share this pdf with us:

Tunnel Vision vs Green Vision

See also, UBC line: The Adam Fitch proposal

4 Responses to “Adam Fitch: “Tunnel Vison vs Green Vision””

  1. Thomas Beyer Says:

    yes it could .. and car traffic on Broadway would still grow as all housing and commercial density is on Broadway and not on 16th.

    A solution might be to tunnel along 11th or 12th and have entries on Broadway.

  2. Rico Says:

    Pretty sketches. Interesting how his times are so different than Translinks…gosh I wonder which is right. Of course this is the same thing that has come up again and again. The destinations are on Broadway not on the CP corridor or on 16th. LRT on Broadway is not my favourite, but it is viable. This is not. Please make this go away so we can talk about real options.

  3. I can’t believe this is still going around anymore. I was hoping the comments I published in response on my blog, earlier this year, would nullify this absurd proposal at the time and just prevent it from being circulated.

    The thing about Adam Fitch is he resembles the typical Light Rail advocate biased against anything to do with SkyTrain. He’s neither interested in getting the numbers right with what he opposes (i.e. suggesting that completing the Broadway Subway to UBC, from Arbutus, would cost $3b in itself) or with what he supports ($500 million considering expensive land requirements for an OMC, rolling stock, engineering costs to study a never-explored alignment? Impossible). On top of that, this is a poorly planned idea from someone who doesn’t have a clue how this city works. It’s 2.3km longer than a direct Broadway solution, completely negating the travel time benefits: it would be faster to take the existing 99 B-Line during off-peak hours, and barely faster if at all to use this LRT in the peak. Apart from very few benefits to UBC, there are no benefits to Central Broadway (where a significant number of 99 B-Line riders are headed) or West Broadway – and very few connection opportunities for anyone on the corridor. Because Central Broadway just isn’t serviced, the 99 B-Line would need to continue operating, with the LRT doubling the annual operating debt of providing Broadway-UBC corridor transit (by comparison, a full SkyTrain extension to UBC would allow the elimination of the B-Line, saving $7 million annually – TransLink study).

    And, like every typical Light Rail/anti-SkyTrain activist, he uses fear-mongering to push his nonsensical point because there’s really no other way he could do so; like suggesting a Broadway Subway would likely go over budget (at this point, no one can predict that outcome – and if it’s an indicator of anything, the Canada Line opened both under budget and ahead of schedule – mentioned in TransLink 2009 annual report).

    Light Rail supporters who are like Fitch aren’t doing anything to solve anyone’s problems. They’re lying to people to push an anti-SkyTrain agenda and should be given no attention by any form of media or any blog-site.

  4. Voony Says:

    Many good point by Daryl.
    Notice that Adam has circulated afterward an improved, in the form, presentation.
    The later one has been posted here:

    And there:

    With also good comments by Rico

    since the material is already posted on other blogs, I will not post it here

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